Pretty good listen.

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2018/02/helen_pluckrose.html

Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay talk with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about their essay on the enemies of modernity. Pluckrose and Lindsay argue that modernity–by which they mean democracy, reason, and individual liberty–is under attack from pre-modern and post-modern ideological enemies. They discuss why modernity is under attack and encourage people on the political left and right to support modernity.